The reviews hardly heaped praise on the chassis, though. GM owns Pontiac, Saturn, Opel, and Vauxhall. Some of the plastic panels may squeak (it is an American car after all) but the drivetrain and suspension feel rock solid, which is all I care about. Solstice? No offense to some random link I haven't clicked, but I have serious doubts about the driving skills of anyone who can't beat a Miata around the orange cones. But you never know when a deal might pop up...I've always somewhat been tempted since I first learned about it, but the problem is, it's really a toy I don't need... Also in this wonderful Canada, we have something called winter, so the car would be usable less than 1/2 of the year... My summer transportation is this, and since I work right in the middle of downtown, a car wouldn't even be an interesting option as opposed to BMW (Bus Metro Walk, well train actually, which door to door is actually faster than a car would be...), and I'd rather bike during the summer anyhow, instead of being in the traffic, burning gas, wasting money on a ridiculously high parking rates, etc...But anyhow, this isn't about the me, it's about the Saturn Red Line -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif -- Anybody else thinks it looks like a fantastic car? I want the Vauxhall/Opel because I can't stand American cars. Which evo do you have? Men and Motors 14,687 views. Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky were the two cars sold by GM in North America, with Opel GT being a European version of Saturn Sky. It makes sense for GM (and Ford) to use platforms globally rather than act as independent companies, doesn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od-kenmFD_I. So a hearty recommendation to check it out.

I think they are a handsome car. What type of oil for 2003 pontiac vibe gt standard transmission? ... rear-drive Saturn Sky from the North American market. So it's a bit in a no man's land...Which again, leaves the RL in a class of its own... Mojo, Semi and company, what would you go for instead of a RL? They are a half scale Corvette at half the price and just as much fun.

andrewme: Are you gigornomous? Abraham Lincoln. On top of that, I heard on British TV (Top Gear) that the new Chevy Camaro is simply a Holden Monaro rebadged and restyled, is this true? The balance of acceleration, handling, and braking is basically unheard of in a $30k car.

Kind of a different car being a V8 and all, but I think the price range would be similar. They've got decent grip, but they basically just understeer, you can't control them the same way as a Miata.

I didn't think it had much personality one way or the other. As said, front-wheel-drive = bleh for sports cars. Also known as a Saturn Sky and Pontiac somethingorother. A forum community dedicated to Saturn Sky owners and enthusiasts. The Saturn Sky was at the Detroit Show in January last (see story link below). Let's keep it real. Vauxhall VX220 history. Drive it. My driver side strut needs to be replaced, do I have to get the other side replaced as well?

All rights reserved Get your answers by asking now. It doesn't transmit the "I am one with the road" sensation of a Miata or Lotus, the "I can do crazy things without getting in trouble" confidence of an Evo or a BMW with traction control on, the "everything about me is set up optimally for driving pleasure" of a Porsche, etc etc. You can probably get one brand new for less than 25k, which makes it one of the best bang-for-the-buck deals out there.Plus you may have a collectible, the last of the Mopar turbo-4 cylinders.I have had mine for a year and a half and it is the funnest car I have ever had. But Saturn and Solstice do share the same chassis. I think the Saturn Sky/Pontiac Sostice is just an Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220, am I right? In 2003, the hosts of Top Gear named the Vauxhall VX220 Turbo "the most fun car of the year." To begin with..look at the outside mirrors...those early corvettes never sported those. For us, the Mazda MX-5 sets the standard for light-effort steering and responsive handling, while the Saturn just doesn't measure up.

Not sure if they share any of the same parts, but I could be wrong. that is a poor analogy...that vette has been modified. The Sky and Solstice don't share any body panels with each other.

The awful advertising campaign with Griff Rhys-Jones didn't help the VX220 sales. Rolling burnouts at 80 km/h here I come -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --, © 2020 Condé Nast. 2000 July Production models launched by Opel and Vauxhall. The Saturn website says 170hp 162ft-lb 2.4L Ecotec engine with Variable Valve Timing.

It takes huge amounts of space and huge amounts of money for the production of any Automobile. Many American shoppers won't even look at a foreign model, but they would consider it since it's made by GM. Based on the Saturn Sky, it'll look similar to the Lightning concept car that Vauxhall put together in 2003 in celebration of the company's anniversary. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties. Yeah I always thought the GT was a pretty car. In my opinion, they are the most raw drive you can get for the money, and I've been through lotus', TVR and porsches.

Admittedly, the Integra Type R did a lot with front-drive.Another S2000 owner here, my second actually.

They have different body styles and interiors, but other than that they are identical. Title asks it all -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif -- I'm in Canada and the prices have always somewhat sucked, when US & CDN were at parity, the RL was 30K US but 40K cdn -- View image here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif -- But now, with the GM meltdown and all, the prices are a little better, though not yet at the US level.

For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Try to get a 2009 Dodge Caliber SRT4. It was fast, and handled OK, but I just didn't like the way the windows were set up. RE: Lotus Elise S2/Vauxhall VX220 | Better Together. The Vauxhall VX220 Turbo is no twin of the Sky as I can tell although some say the Solstice and Sky basic design originated here. Awesome or not? 1) affordable. Ouch! It was built in both RHD and LHD versions, at the Lotus Cars plant in Hethel, Norfolk, England.It was presented at the Geneva Motor Show in March 1999, and went into full production the following year. Anyhow, the Evo isn't a slow car per se... for almost 1/2 price, you'd expect the evo to beat it I hope! With the exception of the Matrix/Vibe partnership with Toyota, all of the cars you've mentioned are totally GM cars. JavaScript is disabled. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, upgrades, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!

First, the frames use similar technologies (meaning that similar handling is achievable). 2003 Turbo added, with 197bhp and 184lb ft: 0-60mph in 4.7 secs, 151mph, leather seats, larger side air intakes, Y-spoke wheels. URG!

A quick look shows redlines going used for 30Kish from a MSRP of 40Kish, but who knows what the rebate & incentive driven king of bankruptcy sold them for?Also isn't Saturn one of GMs dead brands walking? The VX220 ends production at the end of 2005, but the new car is not due here until 2007. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Condé Nast.

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The Vauxhall/Opel is actually a sports car, the saturn is just a cheap *** convertible with the facade of performance. Learn more about Saturn Sky at the Edmunds.com Car Forums! I'd worry about rattles after some mileage. 2007 Sky Red-Line, Midnight Blue, Opel GT Antenna, JPM console, visors & elbow pads, GMPP PUpgrade, T-Bolt Clamps, DDM ProBeam/Backbone, 1st DDM Under-Hood LED on a Sky! The 2.4L World Engine in this puppy is quite impressive as well as the 6-speed Getrag. The look (not function) of the brakes is the only area where the Sky falls short. The Saturn Sky/Pontiac Solstice are copies of the Opel GT and Vauxhall VX220. These brands are just imported European/Australian cars owned by general motors, than rebadged (except for the pontiac Vibe which is a Toyota Carolla Verso) I think the Saturn Sky/Pontiac Sostice is just an Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220, am I right?

There's an official GM upgrade (about $800 installed and you keep the warranty) which boosts horsepower to 290 and torque to 340(!! The Sky's styling is inspired by the European Vauxhall VX220. I was following my friend who owned the Solstice, and he was driving my Evo. I LOVE the tailights on the Lightning...I wish someone would make some aftermarket plug and play tailights like this. 0 0. These brands are just imported European/Australian cars owned by general motors, than rebadged (except for the pontiac Vibe which is a Toyota Carolla Verso). If we restrict ourselves to new cars, the RedLine / GXP are basically unbeatable deals.They aren't perfect. General Saturn Sky Discussion. The transmission feel is easily bested by Japanese cars costing half as much. One thing which is sure, I don't see any other 30k car which might even be an interesting alternative... Miata? The Saturn RL was around 35k last time I checked, the S2000 starts at 50k, which is quite a large gap. 1 decade ago. 285hp/265 ft-lbs torque and enough cargo space to move your friends!

There is an Opel grill that you can use on the sky. The Pontiac Vibe is basically a Corolla Matrix, not a Verso, the Verso is a little longer and taller. No offense to some random link I haven't clicked, but I have serious doubts about the driving skills of anyone who can't beat a Miata around the orange cones.

In-Car Manx Rally 1983 - Isle of Man - Duration: 5:38. It will go on sale next year and it will have more standard features than the Pontiac Solstice. The TCS/ESP makes it very driveable in the winter, the only caveat is that you will have to get 18" winter tires and wheels, that is the smallest size that will fit over the front brake calipers.And believe nothing you read in mainstream car magazines, the only key to a good review in there is how much the manufacturer advertises in it...And it is very tuneable if you decide to get into this, there are already 500+hp CSRT4's on mostly stock internals which is quite impressive. Don't know about the Opel. Or rather: I followed him for about 500 feet, until he was gone.And since it's a fucking Solstice, I can't see any awesome power adds coming up. ).I've driven a non-turbo Solstice and while it's not as sharp or practical as a Miata, I found the handling to be just fine for street use and actually preferred the ride.

Honda/Miata I think were lower and more comfortable, but it wasn't too bad on the Sky... (Didn't drive just sat in at auto show) I've also sat in the Dodge Challenger I think it was, I have to try to elongate my neck so I can see the road, the dash is so high... Can't see anyone less than 6 foot driving it comfortably... Americans are enormous and really seem to give normally sized people the shaft... And I was told the seats don't adjust vertically?

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